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agoraphobic nosebleed => abusive

Discussion in Admin Abuse started by clarkwgriswold, Mar 16, 2011

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  1. Mar 16, 2011
    So everyone is laughing and enjoying themselves, generally having a good time. Someone
    used the term N***** in game or via private chat... and a couple of individuals were making
    remarks and repeating the word via chat and the mic. In jest like many other individuals I
    made a comment not directed towards anyone 'you're white trash' via chat. The irony...

    Let's just note that I'm Caucasian. While I don't necessarily disagree with getting banned
    because I did in fact break the rules this particular admin was clearly acting out. In fact
    this very forum has multiple complaints against him. But whatever...

    I'm just asking that everyone get held to the same standard and clearly that isn't the case.
    In fact I was discriminated upon while others were allowed to make remarks like this in chat.
    I don't remember seeing these people get banned? In fact they were allowed to continue on.

    If I had been recording the evidence would be even more profound.

    You have some good admins on this server and this cat isn't one of him. His attitude is poor,
    he has no report with his community and he's quick to judge without the facts and doesn't
    care to engage individuals. He rather ban then work problems out. You guys wont be the first
    game in town to lose their community and their donations. Keep letting guys like this admin!

    Oh did I mention... I just saved a ton on my car insurance by switching Geico!
  2. Jun 4, 2006
    How come you didn't mention all the arguing you did with Nosebleed about how "white trash" isn't discriminatory? Also just because others were breaking the rules, you thought you could too? Tired of players using this as an excuse.

    L 03/16/2011 - 22:25:04: "Clark W. Griswold<1521><STEAM_0:1:4273746><TERRORIST>" say "you're white trash"
    L 03/16/2011 - 22:25:46: "Clark W. Griswold<1521><STEAM_0:1:4273746><TERRORIST>" say "we ate your greasy vag"
    L 03/16/2011 - 22:26:00: [basecommands.smx] "[pF]Agoraphobic Nosebleed<1533><STEAM_0:0:31096680><>" kicked "Clark W. Griswold<1521><STEAM_0:1:4273746><>" (reason ""Racism and discrimination is not allowed, first and final warn")

    L 03/16/2011 - 22:26:29: "Clark W. Griswold<1539><STEAM_0:1:4273746><TERRORIST>" say "when was i racist or discriminatory?"
    L 03/16/2011 - 22:26:36: "[pF]Agoraphobic Nosebleed<1533><STEAM_0:0:31096680><Spectator>" say "the trashy comment"
    L 03/16/2011 - 22:26:53: "Clark W. Griswold<1539><STEAM_0:1:4273746><TERRORIST>" say "and here i was getting ready to donate too"

    L 03/16/2011 - 22:27:02: [basechat.smx] "[pF]Agoraphobic Nosebleed<1533><STEAM_0:0:31096680><>" triggered sm_say (text Thats your warning)
    L 03/16/2011 - 22:27:07: [basechat.smx] "[pF]Agoraphobic Nosebleed<1533><STEAM_0:0:31096680><>" triggered sm_say (text Dont do it again)

    L 03/16/2011 - 22:28:14: "Clark W. Griswold<1539><STEAM_0:1:4273746><TERRORIST>" say "i wasnt racist or discriminatory"
    L 03/16/2011 - 22:28:29: "Clark W. Griswold<1539><STEAM_0:1:4273746><TERRORIST>" say "i wasn't"
    L 03/16/2011 - 22:29:05: "Clark W. Griswold<1539><STEAM_0:1:4273746><CT>" say "i could careless, it just makes you and your server look bad when you dont admin correctly"

    ^ Arguing with nosebleed and telling him he isn't administering properly.

    L 03/16/2011 - 22:29:19: "[pF]Agoraphobic Nosebleed<1533><STEAM_0:0:31096680><Spectator>" say "!gag clark"
    L 03/16/2011 - 22:29:19: [basecomm.smx] "[pF]Agoraphobic Nosebleed<1533><STEAM_0:0:31096680><>" gagged "Clark W. Griswold<1539><STEAM_0:1:4273746><>"
    L 03/16/2011 - 22:29:26: [basechat.smx] "[pF]Agoraphobic Nosebleed<1533><STEAM_0:0:31096680><>" triggered sm_say (text Go to the forumns and debate about it)
    L 03/16/2011 - 22:29:33: [basechat.smx] "[pF]Agoraphobic Nosebleed<1533><STEAM_0:0:31096680><>" triggered sm_say (text Dont argue with me)
    L 03/16/2011 - 22:29:50: [basechat.smx] "[pF]Agoraphobic Nosebleed<1533><STEAM_0:0:31096680><>" triggered sm_say (text I dont care what color you are, any racism or discrimination wont be tolerated)

    L 03/16/2011 - 22:35:38: [basecomm.smx] "[pF]Agoraphobic Nosebleed<1533><STEAM_0:0:31096680><>" ungagged "Clark W. Griswold<1539><STEAM_0:1:4273746><>"
    L 03/16/2011 - 22:36:12: [basechat.smx] "[pF]Agoraphobic Nosebleed<1533><STEAM_0:0:31096680><>" triggered sm_say (text Your ungagged Clark, but dont argue with me again)
    L 03/16/2011 - 22:36:17: [basechat.smx] "[pF]Agoraphobic Nosebleed<1533><STEAM_0:0:31096680><>" triggered sm_say (text That is surely discriminatory)

    L 03/16/2011 - 22:36:37: "Clark W. Griswold<1539><STEAM_0:1:4273746><TERRORIST>" say "you obviously have no idea what discriminatory means"
    L 03/16/2011 - 22:36:40: [sourcebans.smx] "[pF]Agoraphobic Nosebleed<1533><STEAM_0:0:31096680><>" banned "Clark W. Griswold<1539><STEAM_0:1:4273746><>" (minutes "0") (reason "Discrimination")

    ^ He banned you perm then asked a higher up what the length should be and reduced it to a week.

    So, during this little incident you broke two rules:

    6. Do not use any discriminatory speech.
    This includes but is not limited to racism, sexism, hate speech, or any form of harmful speech used only to offend someone.
    Punishment: Warn -> Kick -> Permanent Ban
    Note: Punishment may escalate to an immediate permanent ban depending on the severity of the offense.


    11. Do not disrespect or interfere with admins doing their jobs.
    This includes arguing with admins regarding their decision on things.
    Punishment: Warn -> Mute/Gag -> Temporary Ban(1hour to 1day length)
    Note: If you disagree with a certain admin's actions, post about it on our forums and let us know.

    You should have rejoined and dropped it. You were in the wrong, "white trash" is discriminatory. You also should not have engaged in an argument with him in the server, this NEVER ends well. We always tell players to take it to the forums and let us know rather than wasting your time arguing in-game. I see no abuse from nosebleed with this particular incident.
  3. May 27, 2008
    I fucking love how you guys say you're going to donate and expect an apology. Grow the fuck up and if you're gonna bring that shit here and say it, you don't belong here.

    Enjoy the ban.

    Next time when submitting an abuse thread, please follow the correct format for doing so. I don't have time in my day to read your sob story and lies to post one sentence replies.
  4. Aug 25, 2009
    Many people complain of my "abusive" admin actions. However they fail to obey the rules. I have even warned you...Kicked you (along with a warning)..yet you still try to argue with me. I am not a bad guy honestly, I am friends with many MANY people on the pF servers. Follow the rules and there will be absolutly no problems.
  5. Mar 16, 2011
    So let me get this straight people can say N***** to their hearts content... but saying white trash results in a ban?
    Like I said I'm not disagreeing with the ban. I'm disagreeing with the fact that i was directing my comment towards
    anyone specifically. It's funny you weren't able pull anything out of your log that proves I was either. I just don't
    understand why half of the server that started the conversation wasn't also banned or kicked. Not being treated as
    other players are being treated is the definition of admin abuse.

    It's cool, I get it. Your admin is always right and you'll defend it to the end. Everything I said was true. I never attempted
    to negate the fact that I wanted him to answer my questions. Typically adults can communicate even when they
    disagree with one another. He chose the less mature option... fuck it what can I do.

    I didn't call him names, or retaliate in any manner. In fact I just questioned his judgment and apparently he couldn't
    handle that. I'd hate to see this kid in a real position of power... we'd all be screwed including yourself.
  6. Apr 4, 2009
    You're trying to act like it's easier to watch a server when you yourself were adding to the problem, 1 person can only handle so many people at once you just so happened to be the person that was warned multiable times in the logs and punished.

    Come back in a week and play by the rules or you won't be coming back again.

  7. Jun 4, 2006
    It does not matter if your comment was directed at anyone. Discrimination and/or racial slurs are not tolerated under any circumstances. Whether or not you were trying to be funny or offensive will not change anything.

    You didn't ask him curiosity questions either, you bluntly said he was doing his job wrong and that what you said was not discriminatory (it was). No one said you called him names or disrespected him, but if you had the ban would have been longer, as that's also a rule.

    I will search the logs for the other offenders (presuming they said shit in chat). Why they were not dealt with is beyond me, I am just here to address YOUR situation.
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