Discussion in The No Count Section started by Badgriuel, Apr 19, 2013
What do you guys think? I'm all for torture and death .
Thought I'd drop by the forums to chime in on this. It was being discussed whether he'll go through the judicial system or be held under military tribunal since this was an act of terrorism which may be state endorsed. IMO, any one of the US black prisons will serve their purpose.
If there is significant evidence to support him being part of a bigger group, then I'd turn my head if they torture him for answers. If there isn't then I wouldn't. If the death penalty is something they want to pursue(like the Aurora,Colorado guy) I'm fine with that as well.
They may have had help so some water-boarding might be coming his way. Since the FBI arrested 3 people in connection with the two brothers.
jack bauer prison ftw <3
It's clear this kid(19) didn't want to die. They didn't suicide bomb and he didn't kill himself during the arrest. They thought they were free and wouldn't get caught. It wasn't till after their photo's were released that they panicked and started to do more.
I don't feel as if he was part of a terrorist group.
What they need to focus on is copycat attempts.
Now, this bothers me.
As much as everyone really hates on this kid, (Mind you, he's 19) I don't think he should be tortured, nor killed for what he's done (yet, anyways). "Oh my god clam! are you sympathizing with a terrorist?". Now see here, I'm not saying what the kid did was right, exact opposite, he's done some horrible shit. Now, the kid was bright, smarter than a good lot of us, and he had an islamic radical of an older brother. There's a ton of questions still floating in the air about the motivation and why they did it. More importantly, I'm focused on the kid, why did he do it? Was he pressured by his brother or did he do it by choice? There's way too many variables for us to even jump to a conclusion saying "Yup, this kid deserves to die and be tortured for the rest of his life". Pretty Juvenile of you ask me.
I've got my own questions on how this case was handled, what would happen if the media and FBI didn't publicize this so actively, would that cop still be alive? I've got my criticisms on how the media covered this story too. Because of how this story was covered, we've also inadvertently thrown muslims under the bus again. Fuck, people were escorted off of domestic flights because they were speaking Arabic.
I'm asking you guys to not look at this case through a tube and try to look at the big scope of things so it doesn't lead to hasty thoughts. I personally don't care about what happens to this kid, it just bothers me that there's already thoughts for a one way ticket to make him suffer for the rest of his life when we haven't even learned about the motivations behind the bombings in the first place.
Oh he'll suffer for the rest of his life regardless of his motivations, if he does get lucky enough to end up in a federal prison the guards and inmates will make his life a living hell 24/7.
@ZombieFurbie after the last Act that was passed and signed into law by the President that was attached to a Defense Department spending bill the NDAA so he can be held without trial by the military and probably could end up in Gitmo. Way to make yourself look like a .
Why would you feel the need to defend this opinion? I'm genuinely curious. The dude's an american citizen, and just a kid at that. I'm seriously starting to question the sanity of the active people on this forum when you have to defend not wanting to see another human being tortured or killed against said people. It's shocking really,
That's cute, but since our president has made it clear his administration will -not- be using that provision at all, and since this guy is gonna be sentenced during his presidency, you can keep that fantasy in your head as well.
P.S. If any of these circumstances are met, the provision can -not- be used:
Guess how many of those provisions apply to this case? Keep drawing those straws, dude. You're only hurting yourself.
Can we get a send him to trial and let the justice system take its course option.
If this goes to trail he won't make it past the verdict, to many people out there will try to take his life.
Very true, a trial in any Federal or State court would need so much protection detail it's not even funny.
@ZombieFurbie probably only The suspect is arrested for conduct conducted in the U.S. applies. I doubt Russia would try to object at all. They can also easily say that it was the Fed's that arrested him so that point is out the window as well. He will probably be the only one on trial as his brother is dead. I highly doubt a transfer into military custody will interfere with efforts to get his cooperation(it might who knows) we don't really need a confession out of him the evidence speaks for itself.
Let's not forget that not only did the initial blast target innocent civilians, but the second blast is believed to of been targeting first responders. Plus the security guard that was targeted(while sitting in his car).
I'm fine with anything they do.
IMO its a tragedy in itself that a 19 year old ended up committing a crime like this. Kinda like the DC sniper - the older guy had a 16 or 17 year old kid with him who had been totally indoctrinated by the older guy. That's not necessarily the case here, but I bet he woulda been a harmless kid if not for his older brother.
I think the fact that people always wanna torture/lynch/kill people who do horrible things only perpetuates a culture of violence. If people reacted mercifully while still ensuring justice is served, I think we'd all be better off.
edit: don't get me wrong - the kid will never see the light of day again and rightfully so - but I disagree with the torture part
Don't bother wasting taxpayer money if he is found guilty of the crime execute him and be done with it.
It's not that I'm sympathizing with the fact he potentially made his life a living hell. It's that people jumped the gun so fast to torture, that I find their moral judgement questionable. Meanwhile the Aurora shooter, who's killed far more people is still undergoing trials, (And now prosecuters are scraping at whatever they can find to pin more charges on this guy) and he's just going through the typical prison term. No torture, and they're having difficulty nailing a death sentence to him.
These two cases are extremely different circumstances.
What exactly did we do to him and his brother for this to happen? They started it and were gonna finish it effectively, they choose to build those bombs and then use them against people. Mercy is a sign of weakness to people that want to commit acts like this. For they will grant you no mercy just ask the people beheaded on camera in the middle east but we can't because their dead.
Both targeted civilians, both are American citizens, both targeted first-responders, both are high-profile crimes. Granted one killed more, and the other used explosives.
Extreme punishments are supposed to be a deterrent to prevent acts, whether or not it works is a different story. Although there are some examples in the past where it did work.
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