Discussion in Counter-Strike: Source started by PF_RI_CC, Jan 18, 2011
I totally understand were you are coming from. First let me say this, i don't know what admin didn't ban speed hackers even though he was aware of it happening, but it cant be anyone I know. I can understand someone being reluctant to switch servers just to ban someone (we want to play too sometimes). but I've never heard of an admin not banning hackers while they are on the same server. Second let me thank you for trying to report these hackers, however here is why I don't think there will ever be honorary admins. Admins' purpose is not only to monitor the servers but to support them monetarily. If we let some people have admin for free, it would be unfair to the people who paid. Plus we wouldn't actually be able to keep the servers going. I can understand your frustration, and I know sometimes these people go unpunished because of our absence, but i can assure you that the PF team does the best that it can with what manpower it has. If he didn't get caught that time, he will be banned sooner or later for sure.
If I may ask, which admin was in the server at the time? I'm sure he didn't know about the speed hacker and/or wasn't watching the chat box. I am sure it was not intentional, though.
And as far as people being given honorary admin powers, I believe it is debatable. As Punkbuster said, and many will agree I'm sure, handing out admin to people for free would not be fair to the paying admins. PlagueFest relies on admin subscriptions to pay for the server bill on a monthly basis (which is extremely expensive). Unless these honorary admins had an extreme bare bones setup, such as kick, ban, and mute only, then that could possibly work. You would need to pay to get the extra admin commands, skins, and other additional perks.
I think there would be too much turnover to make this worthwhile. You have the 'bonus' of getting bothered all the time about people hacking and whatnot on the servers, but none of the perks (sort of). I volunteered for a fairly large game company for a year doing similar things and, while this would be on a smaller scale, it would still get tiring I think. Even being given between 100-200 bucks worth of points to spend on the game that I volunteered for, the average person stayed for maybe two months.
People would find it cool at first, but the fun would diminish very fast for most.
Also, you would need some sort of application/decision process. This would also be a problem as it would need to be decided who helps choose these honorary admins. People have differing opinions of others and well known players are often liked and disliked by different individuals.
There are quite a few more potential issues, as well.
Don't get me wrong, its a good thought, I just believe that it would not work out very well. AND this is just my opinion =)
This was the system a while ago (Years ago), however this cannot co-exist with our current admin system. We're up to just under $400USD a month in sever payments, donations alone are not going to cut it. It's sad, I know. But it's a reality we all have to face, nothing is free.
Honorary admin will come around when honorary donations start flowing in. I don't want to make pF sound like a business but we don't make money off of people who don't pay and we are still eating a bill each month. The most I would be willing to give is a voteban/votekick/votemute and that would go to only regulars.
WOOF told me before he got the boot that he saw someone speed-hacking and he asked the person to stop. I don't know if it was him but you need to get all facts straight. Admins can also go afk.
I know i'll get negative feedback from you but what makes you better than anyone else who can report a speed-hack? Why should I give someone who has played less it first? I know a lot of people who have been active on Plaguefest for over a year w/o stopping. I understand that you want to keep our servers clean but I want to keep them alive. Keeping the community alive is my only goal and that's what I plan to do. Hackers aren't uncommon and we're not going to catch every single one.
Finally, Teleport is only given to admins after having it a second month. This will never be free.
Permanent Ban is only given to admins after 6 months. Same as above.
Slay is only given to head admins.
You can kiss those three goodbye.
Once again, the only things that might be given would be vote commands and abusing them would result in a instant permanent ban against the one who started it.
The closest thing we have to this is that admins who have been with us and have done a good job as admin (no abuse reports, actively helps the community, etc) are rewarded with free admin. As others have said, granting free admin to those who are merely on the servers often and report individuals would be unfair to the paying admins. I'm personally opposed to this idea entirely, even if it was bare bones. We rely heavily on admin subscriptions (we don't make a profit, mind you) and the last thing we need is more ways to obtain it without payment. Ideally we would only grant admin to those who have earned it but unfortunately our situation is far from ideal.
Expanding on josh's post. Give votekick, voteban and votemute to donators. But only to those that have a 2 month sub or something of that sort.
Wow, $400? Time for me to get a job. Literally.
i agree with the voteban/kick/mute +1
that would be a good idea
One of the reasons for the removal of those features was they weren't included with the basic SourceMod admin package. Since then, I've found there's been no real need for it, it's just been abused (Regulars ganging up on the odd player who doesn't really fit in).
But that's just what I think.
It felt like I had banned more people today than I have in my entire time as admin today.
In all seriousness we experienced an issue with our SB (Source Bans), ban management utility today. People which were permanently banned were allowed back in the game for a few hours this morning. This unfortunately allowed those annoying speed and aim bot hackers temporarily back in. This means that people who were already banned could not be banned again because they were already in the system.
Most of our admins truly care about this community and will typically place the interests of pF above their own. I personally do not know which admin you speak of but it is important for us to know so that situations like this do not happen in the future.
Thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention and we are glad you are a member and more importantly a fan of the =pF= community.
uh ya know you could make the person who is hacking if unbanable a living hell in the server right? Although others might think differently on the subject if you knew with out a shadow of a doubt you could mute them in voice/chat and cough cough burn them non stop.
which is why I said it would result in a instant permanent ban if caught abusing but I think even implementing the system would cause more harm than good..
honestly i am just gonna go against what some people wanna hear and say this is the worst idea that could be put into action on the server. People bitch about age limit and everything on admin and some people think this could work? You either have to be out of your mind or on some really good drugs...
I have used a system similar to this in another one of my gaming communities. You'll be shocked to know that the system works out very well. I have experience to back up my claims. You do not.
But you don't charge for admin with that community - I think it may end up being a tad different here. I also have a feeling if the "honorary admin" does a good job, we would end up promoting him/her to full admin... and thus the unfairness to paying admins increases and the potential income decreases.
Wow , this thread has really pissed me off , First off i am that admin , too some extenet ofc ,After i came to ZE and banned the speedhacker i went too feed my son i was in spectate even when you came to zm2 the first time but i happened to be Watching the game so heard about the hacker and came and dealt with it ,
As alot of people will know i spend hours at a time afk in spectate sometimes as i cant predict how a baby will react so rather than neglecting my son i decide to deal with him and leave CSS running , i NEVER ignore people ,i will Flat outstand by that that thats just BS! , i never saw you say anything cara and i never ignored you and saying i have really has annoyed me considering before i left ZE i told everyone if they ever needed a admin just to contact me <_< i never ignored you carl.
Are you sure that you have the right person?
Cara =/= Carl
Separate names with a comma.