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I want everyone's opinion on this... "Test of the Big Bang Theory"

Discussion in Everything & Anything started by sexy_kami-fail, Sep 10, 2008

  1. Sep 3, 2008
    I for one think it's complete bullshit. They should not try and play God.
    They think just because they're scientists they can do whatever, and actually "play" God.
    I think they are wrong in what they are doing...
    This sort of thing should never be aloud... It could end the world ffs...


    GENEVA - A small blip on a computer screen sent champagne corks popping among physicists in Switzerland. Near Chicago, researchers at a "pajama party" who watched via satellite let out an early morning cheer.


    The blip was literally of cosmic proportions, representing a new tool to probe the birth of the universe.

    The world's largest atom smasher passed its first test Wednesday as scientists said their powerful tool is almost ready to reveal how the tiniest particles were first created after the "big bang," which many theorize was the massive explosion that formed the stars, planets and everything.

    Rivals and friends turned out in the wee hours at Fermilab in Batavia, Ill., in pajamas to watch the event by a special satellite connection. Joining in from around the world were other physicists — many of whom may one day work on the new Large Hadron Collider.

    Tension mounted in the five control rooms at CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, as scientists huddled around computer screens. After a few trial runs, they fired a beam of protons clockwise around the 17-mile tunnel of the collider deep under the rolling fields along the Swiss-French border. Then they succeeded in sending another beam in the opposite, counterclockwise direction.

    The physicists celebrated with champagne when the white dots flashed on the blue screens of the control room, showing a successful crossing of the finish line on the $10 billion machine under planning since 1984.

    "The first technical challenge has been met," said a jubilant Robert Aymar, director-general of CERN. "What you have just seen is the result of 20 years of effort. It all went like clockwork. Now it's for the physicists to show us what they can do.

    "They are ready to go for discoveries," Aymar said. "Man has always shown he wants to know where he comes from and where he will go, where the universe comes from and where it will go. So here we're looking at essential questions for mankind."

    The beams will gradually be filled with more protons and fired at near the speed of light in opposite directions around the tunnel, making 11,000 circuits a second. They will travel down the middle of two tubes about the width of fire hoses, speeding through a vacuum that is colder than outer space. At four points in the tunnel, the scientist will use giant magnets to cross the beams and cause protons to collide. The collider's two largest detectors — essentially huge digital cameras weighing thousands of tons — are capable of taking millions of snapshots a second.

    It is likely to be several weeks before the first significant collisions.

    The CERN experiments could reveal more about "dark matter," antimatter and possibly hidden dimensions of space and time. It could also find evidence of a hypothetical particle — the Higgs boson — which is sometimes called the "God particle" because it is believed to give mass to all other particles, and thus to matter that makes up the universe.

    Smaller colliders have been used for decades to study the makeup of the atom. Scientists once thought protons and neutrons were the smallest components of an atom's nucleus, but experiments have shown that protons and neutrons are made of quarks and gluons and that there are other forces and particles.

    The LHC provides much greater power than earlier colliders.

    Its start came over the objections of some who feared the collision of protons could eventually imperil the Earth by creating micro black holes — subatomic versions of collapsed stars whose gravity is so strong they can suck in planets and other stars.

    "It's nonsense," said James Gillies, chief spokesman for CERN, which also received support for the project by leading scientists such as Britain's Stephen Hawking.

    Gillies said the only risk would be if a beam at full power were to go out of control, and that would only damage the accelerator itself and burrow into the rock around the tunnel. No one would be endangered because the tunnel is evacuated when beams are being fired.

    No such problem occurred Wednesday, although the accelerator is still probably a year away from full power.

    The project organized by the 20 European member nations of CERN has attracted researchers from 80 nations. Some 1,200 are from the United States, an observer country that contributed $531 million. Japan, Canada, Russia and India — also observers — are other major contributors.

    Some scientists have been waiting for 20 years to use the LHC.

    The complexity of manufacturing it required groundbreaking advances in the use of supercooled, superconducting equipment. The 2001 start and 2005 completion dates were pushed back by two years each, and the cost of the construction was 25 percent higher than originally budgeted in 1996, said Luciano Maiani, who was CERN director-general at the time.

    Maiani and the other three former directors-general attended Wednesday's experiment.
  2. Apr 9, 2007
    The world wasn't supposed to end till December 23rd 2012.....
  3. Jun 4, 2006
    Personally I think you're looking at it all wrong. Science is always going to be pushing the boundaries and making new discoveries as time progresses. Also your "playing God" way of looking at it is all askew. To be honest, the LHC sounds awesome. It's merely a small black hole that will evaporate as soon as it's created. They aren't scientists for no reason, you don't merely hand out such a label to anyone. It's clear to me that they know what they're doing, no need to worry. I support this 100%, who knows what advances in science will come from this, good god. I think people are simply scared this is going to stab whatever religious belief they've dedicated their lives to and if they're the type that tries to prove God's existence with a jar of peanut butter and a banana then I hope this rips their belief to shreds.
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  6. Mar 12, 2008
    its all staged. just like the dinosaurs. its just papîer mâche, right?

    no wonder they dont want you to touch the displays at the museums right?
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  8. Jun 4, 2006
    Truly is impossible to start an intelligent discussion on Plague Fest.
  9. Jun 4, 2006
    lol, sure it wasn't an eject malfunction?
  10. Sep 9, 2008
    Either or man. Those things are hard to come by on their own.
  11. Apr 9, 2007
    The guy missed and their grandfather saw the cartridge fly at him. :shock:
  12. Jun 4, 2006
    So did gramps specify how long it floated in mid air before deciding it doesn't like to be surrounded by oxygen and fell to the ground?

    Maybe he was on LCD, my dad get doped up a lot. Said he saw ghosts walking on the Golden Gate bridge...
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  14. Jun 4, 2006
    Don't waste your time I won't believe it regardless. I'm stubborn like that.
  15. Apr 9, 2007
    Anyways... Back to the world ending... Sauce thinks to hell with it, Let them go for it. Taters and Peter thinks god will stop it, And... I'm in the middle... >.<
  16. Jun 4, 2006
    Deep down you know you're on my side so rest easy big guy.
  17. Feb 21, 2007
    they are not trying to play god? o0
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    I'm with Sauce on this one. I just don't believe in religion. There is a scientific explination for everything. And I think you won't make any headway without testing. And look we're still here right? So everything is semi alright in the world.
  19. Jul 16, 2008
    to true if it is a black hole it will evaporate it will lead to more discovery's in Science maybe intergalactic space travel are cure for cancer stop globule warming new fuels and what not you never know but still it is the people going dont do this you will make god mad and the other people going no this will be a break thru in science
  20. Sep 3, 2008

    It's not just the religous beliefs or any of that.
    Was the world ( if it happens this way ) meant to end this way?

    On some scientist's dream?

    Our fate lies in the hands of 100's of scientists... I don't trust it one bit...
    I'm sorry but I'm against it. By all means.

    If something good does come out of it. Mark my word I will apologize on this same post. To all of you. And even write them a letter apologizing =D but until they prove me wrong... We're gonna die. lol
  21. Jan 7, 2008
    I'm not particularly religious, but i do think about God quite a bit. Do i think this experiment is playing God? nah. I look around and see all the marvels of science and support most scientific endeavors(I've watched Terminator too many times to support True AI...but that's another topic). However, it cannot be ignored that religion has always been one of the few cornerstones of civilization. I think religion is just as important as science. Religion allows us to answer questions that science cannot currently or will not ever be able to answer. It is human nature to want to believe in something perfect. Religion is based on faith, so if you have ever believed in something that couldn't be proven with facts, then you have experienced religion in it's most basic form. Science is man made, and therefore cannot be perfect. Sure, we can laud scientific achievements, and I'm happy to, but they will never replace religion, in my eyes at least.
  22. Dec 30, 2006
    Well time for my nasty opinion.
    People that believe in a invisible buddy that lives in the sky are ill informed and stupid. They are Brainwashed from birth to believe something that there is no changing that belief.

    Anyways now onto the LHC.
    It is awesome, money well spent. I was reading an article on cnn and the comments were like 10 billion dollars and counting. They were gong on how that money could be spent on more important things. Like where the war on iraq? That was also 10 billion spent over 30 years.

    I think it would be awesome that instead of a micro black hole that consumes the earth we create something so unexpected. A huge explosion of dark energy that destroys half the galaxy or maybe just the planet i would be happy with.

    On a serious note though the potential answers that were expected and unexpected will really help humans understand the universe and how we all work.