Okay okay okay, if my opinion means anything, it’s that there must be a balance between the hardcore griefers and the hardcore admins, and I believe I know where that middle ground is. Firstly I believe that hardcore griefers should be banned, but my definition is different to yours. Someone that blocks ladders for a full round, blocks doorways or nades a new players Cade ‘just for the lols’ should be punished. But I bring you the point that Saucey made to me, as with sex, what if it’s consensual ? Like seriously, if I consent hzrd to grief me, where is the issue ? If I allow Bross to ruin MY cade and I literally have no care, where is the problem ? Now another thing is the length of the ban, I mean there should be a set period for each ban, not a recurring ban where it goes 1 hour, 1 day, 1 week, 1 month 12 months, 1 million decades, like chill man, have a set amount of days for each fault. You be racist ? Your off for the week. You awped someone to a roof? You’re out for the day. But this idea of just doubling and tripling down and just handing out ridiculous sentences, just chill and maybe you’ll have more traffic through the server. Let’s not forget all the good us players have done for the community, whether it’s teaching people secrets, who’s who in the server, buying eachother donator, teaching how to cade, how to run and gun etc etc, you can’t throw the baby out with the bath water and you must give the devil his due. Now onto hardcore admins, I don’t even know where to start, and to avoid beef I won’t mention names, tentions already high in this community atm. I have too many hours of demo’d footage to find the injustice played out by very biased admins. Like having double standards towards players they don’t like, letting things slide for others and not for certain players literally only because they’re better than them at ZM. I have literally been ghosted by admins, and have private chats and screenshots to prove this mentality some of them have to just get players banned. Literally where I’ve unintentionally missed a BULLET onto someone’s cade while shooting a zombie and before I can say sorry I’m kicked, banned and never to be heard of again. So I believe this culture of admins head hunting players due to some animosity they have or some petty argument or what ever the case needs to be cut out of PF. Why are we even here ? To have fun and de-stress after a long day, so why ruin that by constantly being out to get eachother? Now as for the solution I’ll try and summarise as best as possible 1. Have set ban periods for particular rules broken. For example Griefing- 1 week Racism- 1 week Mic spamming- Gagged for the day And whatever you decide fits the crime within reason Ofcourse. 2. This culture of admins literally staying in spectator waiting for someone to slip to the point where they will leave their PC on overnight while demoing and sift through the footage to find some dirt also needs to stop, it’s also kind of creepy. This hovering over a player you don’t like waiting for a grain of bad to come from their behalf so you can give them 6 months or whatever needs to chill. 3. This ‘ban appeal’ system you got going doesn’t work. I say that subjectively because I really tried hard and was open and as honest as possible and even put conditions on myself where if I slip im banned for another year and it still wasn’t accepted so why have a system in place if it can’t be used ? It’s like having a complaint helpline that never answers the phone. 4. Everybody needs to be impartial and not hold grudges and make things so personal to the point where people are being banned via emotional reasons and not legitimate ones. That’s all I have to say I wrote this all while in a rush because I have shit to do and I was told about this whole LSA vs Community beef through a friend and I thought I’d put my two cents in. Now take what I say with a grain of salt. Add or decrease from it as you please, but please just try and see where I’m coming from, I’m someone that’s been banned 12+ times and also someone who had some amazing relationships with admins so trust me I know both sides and have been in the community long enough to see it from a birds eye view. Peace, love ya’ll and STOP THE HATE.