I wouldn't be doing this if admins actually put REGULAR player input into the equation. The 1 or 2 noobs that complain about delaying and then go on minas and camp in some stupid hay stack. I mean come on... we should just have a rule about kicking those people. We barely have enough time to finish minas as it is. Too many admins trying to inforce RULES and not caring about what the community thinks. I have personally camped with a few admins that have been here a while and have played ze from the start. They think it is just fine. Of course, this does not apply to any other map. There's a reason for elite ze'ers hoping older servers reopen up. There also is a reason that people that were so loyal at first are just leaving without a second thought. I have not experienced this first hand, but have heard quite a few stories. This because I am still relatively new to ZE. Please do not take this as an attack on pF. It is the only server i play on regularly. I appreciate the hard work people like Ray have done, but please consider that 60/60 people is not all that matters. Sometimes i like going on this korean server(even though i get 250 ping) because there arn't 5 admins on at one time(somtimes 0). Yet there are no trolls and they have the best teamwork i have ever seen(Passing cades to on another on minas, waiting till everyone is up before cading). Still pF is a great server, just needs something that doesn't allow trolls. You might say I am a troll, or Jackson, but i went to a different server(bG) to see Jackson and I wanted to become zombie everytime and told jackson to join me. He said no and soon i realized why. people were experienced so there was no need to troll. Zombie inflation usually occurs because people are sick of the idiots that dont know how to play. A few is fine because thats the way the gaming world works, but once u get half of the server as newbies( especially when its a max of 60 people) it get out of hand and that is why we keep losing. Love pF, not so sure about the people Dilli-Didn't mean to offend u bro. It is just for just for jokes. Not implying that you are high when you play CSS. Just when i wrote that i thought of u think i am starting to get onthe bad side of admins. I am just going to stay off the forums from now on unless theres something absolutely urgent that needs to be addressed.