Admin Language questions

Well First of all I would like to say that I love Plaguefest and that I have been playing for years, why I never got on the site is because I never had anything to say. So thanks for all of the great work.

What I am here for is because lately its not been very fun to play on the server, partly because of the newbs, and partially because of some admins actions. That is why I am here. Now while I won't point anyone out, I do have some questions.

1. What kind of rules are the admins under, because the standards the players are held upon compared to the admins seems to be different. That being I heard an admin complaining about a bunch of players being a bunch of obscenities. He didn't call anyone these names in specific, but I would expect a kick or a 1 day ban if a player said it. (also can I use that language on this board and yes, I do have a demo of it). I go on and once in a blue moon an admin is whining non stop over the voice chat or just plain old harassing a player. If that's an admin's privilege, so be it. I just want to know.


2. Voice chat compared to text chat rule enforcement. I see a huge discrepancy over what a player or admin can get away with using voice chat compared to writing it out in text for everyone to see. I have seen people get kicked because they joked about someone using F10.
eg. "How do I get up to that platform"
"press F10 for teleportation"
I respect the admins decision and sure enough the rules say they shouldn't say that. The problem is that someone else said the same thing over voice chat not but 10 minutes earlier. So what's with the difference in enforcing the rules about voice chat?

3. Joking around. I miss being able to joke around on the server, but now a days it doesn't seem to be allowed. Say I want to just play around as a zambie. There are plenty of other zambies and I want to explore the level or just go and head hump another zambie for the fun of it. I have been warned twice to not do that. To not screw around and that if I didn't hunt down the humans I would be kicked. On the other hand I have had Haplo floating in the air as the phantom zambie. Now I don't care if Haplo does this, in fact I like to hear the other players reactions. But why is it that an admin can go and play around and I can't. I know you guys have to go off and check to see if a player is doing something illegal, and that's cool. I don't care if you spend the entire time teleporting around, setting each other on fire, and smacking each other for the fun of it. But why can't I do it, I mean play around, I know I don't have admin privileges . Again if that's your privilege as an admin, that's cool.

4. Please have some more specific rules. Seriously I want some specifics in the rules. Like: don't call someone by the f-word (its not the one that begins with "fu"). That's it, I am not an idiot but a few specifics and examples wouldn't hurt on the rules.

5. Who are the current admins? Is there a page that lists the current admins, because I would love to see it. That way I can see who is an admin and who is a poser. Yes I have seen someone with a [pF] tag before who wasn't admin. It was a long time ago, but I would just like to have a page I can go to as a reference. Plus it doesn't hurt to know of the new admins.


6. Whatever map the admins feel like. Now sometimes there are maps that just plain suck and rtv is a great tool. (what happened to nominate?) But certain admins just change the map to what they want. Yes it happens, sometimes I like the change; everyone hated the last map and not enough people were RTVing. Sometimes the server can't handle a map because of the new engine (stupid valve update). But sometimes an admin changes it for no good reason other than they want to play the map. They even say so.

eg. "Hey who wants to play Highway"
"Not really"
<Loading map>
<zm_roy_highway>
"Don't you guys love this map?"

If this is an admins privilege that's fine, if I don't like a map that much I switch to another server and play an escape map I like for a while until it changes to something I like. But if its against the rules that would be cool to know.


Thanks guys for reading this and I really like the job you guys do. I know its hard being an admin and some days it can totally ruin the fun time you are having, but I appreciate the hard work you do. Props to Haplo for being one of the best admins around, Even if I don't like the map, he makes it fun to be in the game. I appreciate your time to read this, I know its a bit of a rant but I thought I would post all of my thoughts in one post. Also what happened to the escape server? (what I said I would condense all my questions in to one page).

Admin rules are as followed, if you find anyone breaking these rules bring any proof you have to the forums.

Same discipline for voice and chat but sometimes you don't always catch what was said or who said it. "also f10 no longer works"

No one should be doing or saying anything like that if they do contact me on steam @ dvs75.

I acutally think the rules are pretty descriptive.

There is a list on the website if you look up server admins we may be able to set some sort of list up in game.

Only time a admin should change the map is if its either lagging the server or is loosing to much population on w/e map its on, if they know its gonna cause it before hand they can also cancel the vote. Nominate was removed so we don't play the same 4-5 maps over and over its on a cycle where a map can't be played for 8 maps after it was played.

I think Haplo summed it up pretty well. Only things I have to add are:

1. We are pretty lax about player on player name calling - backstabbing usually bringing out the best in people. If someone calls you a faggot or tells you to f**k off, whatever. However, if it becomes excessive then action should be taken. The admin abuse section is of use to our regular players if they are being harrassed by an admin.

2. Text and voice should be treated equally. That being said, if there is a lot of activity or someone says something real quick, there is no way to catch who said what on voice chat sometimes. Bring it to an admin's attention. **The F10 thing** - used to be punishable, but now that F10 doesn't work it is fine.

3. Messing around - who cares? As long as you don't block for a human, it's nobody's business.

Haplo hit the rest dead on. Admins should be held to a higher standard than players, as we should be keeping the server fun and playable (there is a reason we are #4 on the globe). Don't hesitate FOR A SECOND to get on the forum and report ANY of us for any kind of abuse. We should be able to justify ANY use of admin commands.

BTW, add me on Steam! See you in-game!

Well thanks for the speedy reply. I am glad that the admins have the same rules as us, but there are a few bits I would like to reply to. Also that's a speedy reply. This is in response to Haplo's post.

1. As it is in the admin rules:

I've got a demo of an admin calling a bunch of players "bitch ass faggots" because a zambie got them. Also another one with an admin who had "FUCK" right in his username. If you want them I'll post it for you guys. Only a handful of words I can't stand and they are "cunt, faggot, the n-word," and really any other racially negative word. Other than that I really don't care unless its a ridiculous amount of curse words, which I then laugh at.

I've seen admins without the [pF] tag and once with a changed name, and that was today and yesterday. Personally if there are enough admins I really don't care, but a player said something he shouldn't have and got kicked by what I learned was a new admin. Surprising for the player and for me. That's why I would like a list either in game, or just a forum page with the name of every admin on it. Makes it easier. (perhaps even stating how long they have been here.)


2. That's cool, I know you can't catch everything people say, especially on a full server. And as for the F10 deal, it was after that was fixed, funny huh?


3. Will do, the only time I had this happened was when their was only two zambies and they decided they didn't want to mess around with a hall way full of death (large group of people at the end of it). Which is understandable, it is the point of the game to hunt the humans.


4. As for the player rules:

Does this mean discriminating people because its a girl or they sound different? That's how I figure it but if you could, Give me an example please that would be cool.

mew?

I've heard players just go on and on about how they are annoyed by this one other player and how they think he is a wanker and so forth. Not much recently but still its happened. I am fairly tolerant of it and I think you guys have been doing a great job of enforcing this recently.


5. Where's the list? I was hoping for something like a forum post or something like that. I know you can look them up manually through the group list of members on this board but I find a single page to be easier.


6. That's cool. I would prefer an explanation and most of the time I get it, but sometimes its a "because." I know the update screwed tons of stuff up, including maps so I am fairly understanding.


On a final note, I would again like to say that these occurrences are rare and I usually have an amazing time on the server and if you guys need anything from me, don't hesitate to ask. I am recording a demo every time I go in to a game now so if I feel like I am being harassed I'll make a post here, otherwise I will probably delete it. It's nothing hostile its just something I am doing from now on. Thanks again for the replies to my questions. The only question I got left is can a demo file identify me? (yes I am paranoid)

Up top where is says "MEMBERS"... not that hard...

The other admins summed up the rules fairly well in here already, so I won't bother repeating it. Just add me on Steam if you like and send me a message when ever you see a player or admin breaking a rule. If I'm not at work then I'm usually in front of my computer working on something. So if I see your message I'll hop on and sort it out.

The only way someone can see who you are during a demo is if there are death/kill reports in the console, if your in spec then no.

8. Any sort of discrimination on the server is punishable by a permanent ban from the server.

Any sort of discrimination can be punished but its really up to the admins on, if someone says something once then fine but if it continues then it should be shot down "other then racism". That ranges from making fun of little kids on the mic and everything in-between.

I still permaban on sight if anyone is spouting off racist comments. :whistling:

Well that's good enough for me, thanks for all of the replies and the amount of effort you guys put in to this. I know players can come off as annoying sometimes, but you guys make it worth it, and I decided to post all of the admins on here so I have a reference page for myself. My own notes are added for the fun of it. I sorted this by join date for the forum:


pLaYdGhBoY
Viva La Border Patrol = Solid.
haxorX_x
Mr.Pink
Bob
m3rg3
Starcell
LonewolfSix
J J K
Sig. = long timer.
poopyseed = I haven't seen you in so long, so sad.
zerox913
ChibiTheMooMooCow
doc watson = the only person I like to hear on voice chat. Well okay I like you all but he's my favorite.
Barack Obama = Great admin, but tons of people hate the name, and tons of people are racist bigots. Don't change it, I love it when the trailer denizens get mad.
psychodelica
joecripple
taurah
Mbrother
Johnny = great admin.
antix = cool guy.
Gr33n
Coolbeans = a long time favorite of mine.
WHiTE_ZombE
Elevate = a solid admin.
HollowPoint
supremecommanderbadger
AgoraphobicNosebleed
SharpshooterNick
Lt. Kosher
Nena
Xylone
kodiak
The Real Gingerbread Man = great admin, been here for a while.
pda
Deepfriedspam
Jedi
Bourbon
savage
Colton
MONSTER ENERGY
Surprise_Butt_Sechs = It's a trap.
StonedStoner
Headsh0t
BowChicaHonkHonk
Conker = Nice guy, quite a fair admin.
Target_Practice
TurkeyStick
The aTTaX = nice guy.
InfamousSandman
axioqt
dårk
merciless
204snowcone
Nebraska = Solid admin.
GuMbYz
Amazingly Smooth
Skiptron = also a cool guy.
The Almighty Joker
Billy The Mutilator Icon = I follow you on every map.
Dharkk
Sideshow
ninjawaffle63
Sgt.P3PP3R = great guy.
Sephi
=pF= PeNguiN = (Sop) IT = he does it for the lulz.
=pf=Badgriuel = New Sauce!

late addition:
Team7 Latino King = Long time admin, haven't seen you in a while. Fun guy, great admin.


BONUS ROUND
Secondary Protocol = Great admin, man behind the scenes.
Reaper = Also a great admin. Fun to have on the server.
Retslag1 = Great admin.
Haplo = My number one favorite admin. The day he scared the crap out of me by appearing as a floating zambie, was the day I knew that I would have fun on this server. His mother was a Mustang (the car) and his father was the Trololo man. Long time admin and a great player.


Finally these gentlemen help make all this happen, as far as I am concerned they may as well be gods! In case you were wondering I gave them a special coloring for their names but its so awesome its outside the human spectrum of visible light, but right now some unicorns are being blinded by its shear awesomeness.
Ray
Brian
Josh

edit:
Sorry about forgetting the Elder God Kyle, I copy pasted this on to the reply slip and yours didn't go over, apparently you scare the internet, Whoopsy.

ELDER GOD:
KYLE: The man with a plan and Haplo's life partner. Moves in mysterious ways like Batman in the shadows wanking off to supergirl. His powers are so great he can sv_cheat the real world. Know his might and beware.........................fap fap fap.

It's ok Kyle. You still have me. :tongue:

SON OF A BITCH! KYLE IS A HERO AND DESERVES YOUR LOVE AND WORSHIP AND BASES!
Kyle, you know you're better then Haplo.

And Haplo(FAGLO) is A fucking RaGe Potat, How could anyone like him Over kyle?



Also Kysh Jole, he Listed admins, Not walking Gods<3

I thought it was RAGE potat when did it turn into rape?

When it's dark and I can't see what I'm typing. I'm not sure how I hit P instead of G, maybe cause I was thinking Kyle got Raped on that listing lol.

j/k Kyle you're The best! around! Nothings ever gonna keep you down!

CREEPER

Woot. My rules re-write pwns.

Also, Kyle.. that was a cute emoticon you added. I found some for MyBB with blue eyes. Check NR for them.

@Sweetness: The admins on this server do their best to keep up with the thousands of players that the server sees. Sometimes, a few might slip through the cracks. If you have someone to tell you that you can't walk around as a zombie, and they're an admin threatening to kick you, let me or someone else know. They obviously have no clue what they're talking about, and the situation WILL be handled. Same goes for all of your other problems that you're having. Let an admin know, or post about it on the forums. Without you guys telling us what is going on, we're not able to handle the problem.


BRIAN, YOU NEED TO FIX THE QUICK REPLY FORM FOR CHROME!
I want my new lines back!